[Gipsel]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

Oh, and check that tessellation is "application preference" rather than amd optimized.

But that is just for the coherence of the settings. "AMD optimized" has still no function and works identical to application preference (or in other words: there are still no game profiles with an active tessellation limit).

[ECH]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

What do you mean there's no benefit doing so visually? Of course there's benefit from setting highest quality settings.

And how to do it? Open CCC, Catalyst AI portion of 3D Application Settings, set Texture Filtering Quality to high quality and untick Enable Surface Format Optimization.
That's it - simple as that.
Oh, and check that tessellation is "application preference" rather than amd optimized.

He said there was no IQ differences. There is no Catalyst AI in current CCC because the option is just not available in the new revamp of CCC. Also, quality settings on Texture Filtering (instead of high quality) allows trilinear optimizations and anisotropic sample optimization on nvidia's control panel.

So again, it makes no sense as to how Catalyst AI is "disabled" when it was stated there is no visual difference in Cat 12.11 beta vs the previous driver.

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by ECH

He said there was no IQ differences. There is no Catalyst AI in current CCC because the option is just not available in the new revamp of CCC. Also, Nvidia's control panel's Texture Filtering uses quality instead of high quality which allows trilinear optimizations and anisotropic sample optimization.

Did you notice that the section with texture quality is called "Catalyst AI"?
It's called that because it controls what the old "Catalyst AI" used control, except that you can't disable fixes/cf/etc with it anymore, only texture related options.
So setting it to high quality is same as "disabled" except for the actual fixes and such.
He most likely uses high quality on nV, too.

So again, it makes no sense as to how Catalyst AI is "disabled" when it was stated there is no visual difference in Cat 12.11 beta vs the previous driver.

He obviously says there's no visual difference to answer someone who claimed such increases would be be (most likely) done at the expense of image quality - ie what could be called "cheating" - and to clear any doubts others who didn't open their mouth (yet) could have.

He says "cat ai is disabled" just like in all his reviews, to ensure that the testing methodology is the same as before, too, not claiming it was just specificly disabled for this particular one.

[ECH]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

Did you notice that the section with texture quality is called "Catalyst AI"?
It's called that because it controls what the old "Catalyst AI" used control, except that you can't disable fixes/cf/etc with it anymore, only texture related options.
So setting it to high quality is same as "disabled" except for the actual fixes and such.
He most likely uses high quality on nV, too.

No, there was a time were one could disable catalyst AI (link shows older version of CCC). That option is no longer available. So I ask how is cat ai being disabled now? Suggesting that CCC is revamped (something I've already pointed out) is not equivalent to the ability to disable Cat AI from the older version of CCC. Nor do I take it to mean it's disabled because of change(s) in CCC. Look, even if one makes changes in CCC doesn't mean that Catalyst AI is fully enabled or disabled. That's the point.

Originally Posted by Kaotik

He obviously says there's no visual difference to answer someone who claimed such increases would be be (most likely) done at the expense of image quality - ie what could be called "cheating" - and to clear any doubts others who didn't open their mouth (yet) could have.

Cat 12.11 beta offers similar/same IQ yet offer a higher frame rate. So there is no need to argue. Again, if there is no visual differences why is CCC being adjusted when similar settings are also found in nvidia control panel. It was indicated there was no IQ differences between drivers. It makes no sense to me.

Originally Posted by Kaotik

He says "cat ai is disabled" just like in all his reviews, to ensure that the testing methodology is the same as before, too, not claiming it was just specificly disabled for this particular one.

As the link in this post demonstrates, there is no option to disable cat ai any more. So I have no idea what you are talking about. But we've come full circle.

[Ethatron]

Originally Posted by ECH

No, there was a time were one could disable catalyst AI (link shows older version of CCC).

You basically ask how to disable shader-optimization then, because that is the one thing left A.I. did and which hasn't recieved a button. Stability fixes you couldn't disable with A.I. either AFAIK.

Just deinstall the CAPs, then you should have deinstalled the "A.I." optimizations which are game specific. You probably could also start renaming game-executables to confuse the system, but if they're smart they started using checksums, and/or other identifiers.

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by ECH

No, there was a time were one could disable catalyst AI (link shows older version of CCC). That option is no longer available. So I ask how is cat ai being disabled now? Suggesting that CCC is revamped (something I've already pointed out) is not equivalent to the ability to disable Cat AI from the older version of CCC. Nor do I take it to mean it's disabled because of change(s) in CCC. Look, even if one makes changes in CCC doesn't mean that Catalyst AI is fully enabled or disabled. That's the point.

I'm fully aware of what used to be there and what is there - what I've been trying to tell you over and over is what he means with "disabling cat ai"

Cat 12.11 beta offers similar/same IQ yet offer a higher frame rate. So there is no need to argue. Again, if there is no visual differences why is CCC being adjusted when similar settings are also found in nvidia control panel. It was indicated there was no IQ differences between drivers. It makes no sense to me.

Yes, but without anyone testing and confirming it, like he did, how would everyone know that? And again, it was answer to someone claiming it's probably done via reducing IQ, which was false claim but needed to be answered.

As the link in this post demonstrates, there is no option to disable cat ai any more. So I have no idea what you are talking about. But we've come full circle.

Yes, we've come full circle of you ignoring what I'm saying.
You are correct, you can't disable Cat AI - you can only do what disabling Cat AI used to do, excluding disabling the fixes it makes.
That however is irrelevant, the whole issue was you not understanding that he obviously meant disabling any IQ optimizations, like disabling Cat AI used to do, not actually disabling Cat AI like we could do earlier.

[I.S.T.]

Originally Posted by Ryan Smith

I have to say I was completely surprised by just how much AMD's performance improved on BF3 in particular. Whatever it was that was holding back their performance, AMD has finally gotten a handle on it. They're completely competitive with NVIDIA now (at least in our BF3 benchmark).

The Starcraft 2 speed loss is bizarre.

[Alexko]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6393/a...211-new-bundle

Originally Posted by Ryan Smith

Everything except Starcraft II sees at least a marginal improvement here, with Starcraft II being the lone exception due to the previous issues we’ve run into with the 1.5 patch.

I'm not quite sure what this means.

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by I.S.T.

The Starcraft 2 speed loss is bizarre.

And not repeated at least at TPU - in fact at TPU it was getting notably better scores with 12.11's than older drivers

[Dave Baumann]

Our internal testing shows a perf improvment for SC2 as well.

[kalelovil]

Originally Posted by Alexko

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6393/a...211-new-bundle



I'm not quite sure what this means.

I am guessing this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/n...pler-family/11
And possibly this: http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=starcraft+1.5+fps+loss

[Ryan Smith]

Originally Posted by kalelovil

I am guessing this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/n...pler-family/11
And possibly this: http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=starcraft+1.5+fps+loss

Correct. Starcraft II 1.5 did something to our GCN cards that reduced performance by a bit.

[lanek]

well different maps / procedure for bench it surely .

For be honest i have stop watch the results in review of SC2, as they allways look to me really strange. but whatever is the card you have, i dont think you will have to worry.

[UniversalTruth]

Originally Posted by Ryan Smith

Correct. Starcraft II 1.5 did something to our GCN cards that reduced performance by a bit.

Yup, should be something really under secret.
Honestly, may you contact and ask developers what exactly the cause is? it's very suspicious otherwise, don't know what to think...

Originally Posted by lanek

For be honest i have stop watch the results in review of SC2, as they allways look to me really strange. but whatever is the card you have, i dont think you will have to worry.

Yup, according to this logic, it doesn't matter if you buy an 7770 or 7970. Well... sounds strange as well.

[psolord]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

Don't forget the bundles!

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/...raphics-cards/

Will this offer be available in Europe as well?

I do not hear a peep on local Greek stores but not even in Amazon.co.uk.

[lanek]

Originally Posted by psolord

Will this offer be available in Europe as well?

I do not hear a peep on local Greek stores but not even in Amazon.co.uk.

For what i know, yes ofc, but its better to have a confirmation with the shop before you buy the cards, you will have the bundle. Many shop have maybe not update their list now, or are a bit slow to even apply it.

When you see how slow some shops in Europe apply new price in general. I will not be surprised to see them dont apply the Bundle too.

http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/graphi...onditions.aspx

Look what card have the bundle, know someone who take an Asus Matrix and no bundle with it ( look like Asus dont want the price and bundle appy to this card )

[jimbo75]

Overclockers.co.uk are doing the bundle - but considering how long it's taking them to send me a 7850 for a customer I'm not sure I could recommend them tbh.

[Dave Baumann]

Originally Posted by psolord

Will this offer be available in Europe as well?

I do not hear a peep on local Greek stores but not even in Amazon.co.uk.

Check the link here: http://blogs.amd.com/play/this-holiday-never-settle/

This will be updated as channel outlets add the bundle. This is not a "bundle in the box" promotion and instead activated directly in the channel so it gets a little staggered from the regional logistics, the capabilities of the outlet for managing such a promotion and the general level of interest/focus in the segment from the outlet.

[ECH]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

Check the link here: http://blogs.amd.com/play/this-holiday-never-settle/

This will be updated as channel outlets add the bundle. This is not a "bundle in the box" promotion and instead activated directly in the channel so it gets a little staggered from the regional logistics, the capabilities of the outlet for managing such a promotion and the general level of interest/focus in the segment from the outlet.

Newegg is suggesting that they offer it. But I can't find anything from them about it like other websites. Will Newegg be added?

[Dave Baumann]

Yes the product listings at Newegg are already showing the bundle active on Tahiti (you can see the description of the bundle here), they just don't have the landing page up yet though.

[ECH]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

Yes the product listings at Newegg are already showing the bundle active on Tahiti (you can see the description of the bundle here), they just don't have the landing page up yet though.

Thanks for that coupon link!

[caveman-jim]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

Based on TPU review, the gains are notably bigger at lower resolutions, which would indicate to my understanding that most gains are from reducing CPU overhead in drivers

I asked if it was found due to addressing the Enduro issues but couldn't get a straight answer.

[psolord]

Lanek, Dave, thank you good sirs.

[I.S.T.]

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

I asked if it was found due to addressing the Enduro issues but couldn't get a straight answer.

Enduro issues?

[Psycho]

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

I asked if it was found due to addressing the Enduro issues but couldn't get a straight answer.

How does fixing enduro issues relate to desktop performance on single gpu systems?