[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

New official 12.9 beta driver now available.

Adobe Photoshop CS6 Liquify now works, though it doesn't seem to be very quick. Version number is correctly updated in CCC. Some people have seen problems in crossfire, so YMMV.

You need DotNet 4 installed, or install the driver package with it included.

[Davros]

Tempting but im afraid it will end in tears...

ps: what is dot net 4 support supposed to provide ?

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Originally Posted by Davros

Tempting but im afraid it will end in tears...

ps: what is dot net 4 support supposed to provide ?

IIRC, Dotnet provides the programming framework for CCC. You need it to run the CCC GUI, it's not something that the drivers provide support for.

[Davros]

I meant as an end user, when ccc first started using dot net as far as i could tell it just made it bigger and slower

[Miksu]

Originally Posted by Davros

I meant as an end user, when ccc first started using dot net as far as i could tell it just made it bigger and slower

I think that was the CCC's implementation, not .NET

[swaaye]

CCC has always used .net. It's probably gotten faster mostly because we aren't using Athlon XP and P4 anymore.

This driver release goes back to correctly calling my notebook GPU a Mobility Radeon instead of a FirePro. Thrilling.

[Davros]

No it hasnt, it switched to dotnet got a bit prettier and a hell of a lot slower
it used to look like this


Then it changed to this

[swaaye]

The top one is the old 9x/2k/XP ATI control panel that sits in display properties. Catalyst Control Center is the dot net behemoth and first came along in 2004. I used to run the old control panel instead. It's available as a separate download.

[lanek]

CCC have switched to Dotnet around the 2900XT or even X1900XTX period.. For sure, when the first versions have been released it was a bit slow, but right now, lets be honest, the CCC is really good as it is...
Profile system work really fine when you know what you do with it. ( i see too much peoples who "remove" the right profiles by replacing them with new one and get problem then ).

Even compared to Nvidia ( i use too nvidia cards and pass many time to setup installations with nvidia cards for friends and family ), i like better the CCC of the Nvidia contro panel. ( question of taste maybe )..
Specially on mobile / laptops, where the Nvidia control panel is horribly unclear. ( hence why i setup Nvidia Inspector directly with it ).

( Setup multi monitor setup on the Nvidia panel need too clearly some change )

On CCC, maybe they need to simplify the video playback settings, cause lets be honest, normal user are completely lost when it come to use this panel. ( hopefuly the settings by default are allready enhanced )

[Alexko]

Originally Posted by lanek

CCC have switched to Dotnet around the 2900XT or even X1900XTX period.. For sure, when the first versions have been released it was a bit slow, but right now, lets be honest, the CCC is really good as it is...

Even compared to Nvidia ( i use too nvidia cards and pass many time to setup installations with nvidia cards for friends and family ), i like better the CCC of the Nvidia contro panel. ( question of taste maybe )..
Specially on mobile / laptops, where the Nvidia control panel is horribly unclear.

CCC works, but I just launched it, and it took 33 seconds to fully load.

[swaaye]

33 seconds? Personally I enjoyed the 200MB of Dot Net 4 files I've had to get for install and updates (and the 20 min install time of it all) to run what appears to be the same CCC as last month.

What does NV's control panel use? It doesn't seem to be Dot Net. It is faster and less annoying to get running.

Originally Posted by lanek

CCC have switched to Dotnet around the 2900XT or even X1900XTX period..

No the Catalyst Control Center app has always been a Dot Net app. It was originally Dot Net v2 in 2004 (X800 days) and has progressed to v4 now. It does load faster now, but we also have systems that are like 10x faster.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1456

[karlotta]

Originally Posted by swaaye

33 seconds? Personally I enjoyed the 200MB of Dot Net 4 files I've had to get for install and updates (and the 20 min install time of it all) to run what appears to be the same CCC as last month.

...

4.5dotnet, on a NEW win7 install is all you need(48mb?)

[swaaye]

Originally Posted by karlotta

4.5dotnet, on a NEW win7 install is all you need(48mb?)

I'm including the subsequent Windows Updates in my whining. They add up to over 100MB.

Why do they use dotnet? I assume there is a good reason for it.

[Davros]

its sort of like the vb runtimes of old as far as I can tell (allthough more advanced)
but why you'd use it for a gui to a glorified collection of dropdown boxes and changing registry entries I dont know seems like overkill.
plus ccc has severe performance issues and if you have those issues why do amd think having their code running in a vm like java is a good idea ?

[madyasiwi]

Originally Posted by swaaye

Why do they use dotnet? I assume there is a good reason for it.

Maybe to make it possible for their legal intern to use Visual Studio drag & drop feature when creating the GUI? (As opposed to real Win32 programmer & real UI designer?)

They should consider Qt instead, IMO.

Oh, and force whoever 'design' that thing to at least read the Windows UX Guidelines. The guys creating the NV one clearly did their homework.

[Grall]

The CCC really is terrible. It's horrifically bloated for the actual work it accomplishes (basically all it does is changing some registry keys) and is just generally cumbersome and quirky. The hotkey profile system it uses doesn't save all variables - powertune slider for example isn't handled properly - and a profile cannot be edited once created, it must be destroyed and then re-created if something needs to be changed. It embodies everything that is wrong and bad with the PC computer revolution all in one stinky package.

[Davros]

lets not forget their awfull uninstaller. I could do better using notepad
makes you wonder if they care. I know if it was my job to create the ccc I wouldnt be happy with it

[Malo]

You know there are people whom never have problem with installing, uninstalling or upgrading AMD drivers with CCC. Also SSD makes a big difference with CCC.

[HMBR]

CCC on XP is still quite different from the Vista+ version,

[Davros]

@Malo havnt you just proved a point, a ssd shouldnt matter that much, for what it is its should load in sub 5 seconds sort of time.
ps: next time you un-install amd drivers, before you install the latest version do a search and see how many hundreds of megabytes are left behind are you saying the amd uninstall doesnt leave behind files for some people ?

@hmbr really ? as far as i can find out its the same except its missing the tesselation settings and the eyefinity page

[Malo]

Originally Posted by Davros

@Malo havnt you just proved a point, a ssd shouldnt matter that much, for what it is its should load in sub 5 seconds sort of time.
ps: next time you un-install amd drivers, before you install the latest version do a search and see how many hundreds of megabytes are left behind are you saying the amd uninstall doesnt leave behind files for some people ?

I'm not one to judge how quickly it should load as I'm not a windows .net application developer and I don't know how much it is doing when loading. I guess there is a lot of hard disk activity since the SSD speeds it up so much. My windows pagefile is also in RAM so not sure if that helps a lot.

Everytime I've uninstalled drivers then installed new ones, it states the ati directory doesn't exist and asks to create a new one. I'm assuming that means it purges all the information when it uninstalls.

[HMBR]

Originally Posted by Davros

@hmbr really ? as far as i can find out its the same except its missing the tesselation settings and the eyefinity page

this is how it looks

[karlotta]

@HBMR; That is a old looking CCC, must be a XP version? (i see its 12.9).


The speed of my CCC opening is 1 sec. I dont use the profile system, so no info there, but the app works fine. Absolutely a non issue here.

[swaaye]

Yeah here with go with another CCC disgus(t)sion.

Even with NV's superior control panel I prefer to use NVIDIA Inspector (and need to for SGSSAA). On the AMD side you can use Radeon Pro.

[I.S.T.]

I miss Rivatuner and nHancer... Nvidia's manager works okay, not the greatest. Not a fan of Nvidia Inspector at the least due to its obtuse as fuck interface and non-explanation of many features.