[I.S.T.]

I guess this goes here, rather than create a new thread.

Looks like the PC version of Doom 3: BFG Edition is all fucked up. The graphics options are nearly non-existant, FOV's locked unless you enable the console with a steam command line switch, and the textures are blurry as fuck.

Oh, and it's glitchy on AMD cards, running incredibly slow. Who knows who's to blame for that one, but given it's across multiple cards and driver versions, and Doom 3 came out over a half decade ago, I think it's on Id's shoulders...

ModNote: Thought it should have its own thread anyway just to keep things clean.

[N_B]

There's no need for graphics options, its 8 years old. You couldn't change fov without the console in the original either, and I think it's just the brighter environment bringing out the poor textures.

[Davros]

Just watched the trailer, optimised for xbox360 and ps3 in other words optimised for systems very similar to what the game was released on, whats the point of that...

[Billy Idol]

Originally Posted by Davros

Just watched the trailer, optimised for xbox360 and ps3 in other words optimised for systems very similar to what the game was released on, whats the point of that...

I wonder myself...where is the clue? Where is the achievement...

[almighty]

According to a few people on overclock.net the re-release looks worse then the original!.

It also doesn't seem to support Sikkmod and Wulfruns texture packs either, which flat out sucks!!

This is how I had the original looking





Words can not describe how awesome that looks in motion with 4xSGSAA.

[almighty]

Originally Posted by AlStrong

TBF, you've been playing with mods the whole time, so maybe it's best to have a proper side-by-side comparison to refresh your memory instead of spamming said mods (especially as it's the console side of the forum).

I'm sure there's a place for PC discussion in the PC forum where others frequent more than here.

These are the only quality settings you have on PC, a massive step down in the options from the original.

[AlStrong]

Originally Posted by Billy Idol

I wonder myself...where is the clue? Where is the achievement...

The PPC cores in both consoles aren't known for their single threaded performance. You might think of each thread as similar to 1.6GHz P4's. Previous idTech4 games were always limited to 30fps.

[Laa-Yosh]

The Doom3 engine is also a fillrate hog and both consoles are sort of limited on that front.

[almighty]

Doesn't this re-release run on IDTeh 5?

[AlStrong]

It's basically IdTech4 with some things bolted on from 5. The lighting and shadow model are largely what make IdTech4 anyway, which is what Doom 3 is all about.

They didn't mention as to what Tech5 stuff they put in though:

Carmack elaborated further, noting that elements of id Tech 5 (for reference, Doom 3 ran on id Tech 4) have been integrated into Doom 3 BFG Edition.

link

If I had to guess, it's probably more related to the console-side optimizations they learned from Rage as well as *ahem* auto-save (as disruptive as it seems to be) + loading?. Wonder if the particle/transparency system was updated.

Can the .pak's be opened to compare the shaders?

[Grall]

It doesn't seem to be released in europe yet. It's not even in the "coming soon" list in the Steam client, not sure WTF is up with that. Why the devil wouldn't they want people to know the game's coming...?

[almighty]

Seems like this D3 re-release is nothing more then a cash cow to try and rake back some of the money they lost on RAGE....

[Cyan]

Originally Posted by AlStrong

TBF, you've been playing with mods the whole time, so maybe it's best to have a proper side-by-side comparison to refresh your memory instead of spamming said mods (especially as it's the console side of the forum).

I'm sure there's a place for PC discussion in the PC forum where others frequent more than here.

Some of the Doom 3 mods on PC look incredible. Others are just a bit over the top, imho. Illogically so.

For instance, the whole ground in this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/xJkVf.jpg

Aside from that I would like to see some direct feed photos like those used in the Digital Foundry articles, always fascinating stuff.

For now my eyes only see a fabulous game that runs at 60 fps on my console. IRL, you would never know it looking at me because I try to be the picture of calm while I am waiting for this game, but inside, I'm raging.

[almighty]

Originally Posted by Cyan

Some of the Doom 3 mods on PC look incredible. Others are just a bit over the top, imho. Illogically so.

For instance, the whole ground in this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/xJkVf.jpg

Ewwwww.... you can change the height of the POM via a command iirc

[Cyan]

Originally Posted by almighty

Seems like this D3 re-release is nothing more then a cash cow to try and rake back some of the money they lost on RAGE....

Hello almighty. Why are you criticizing iD all the time? It's a bit off putting.

I was about to re-buy Doom 3 for the PC a couple of months ago, especially because there was a similar bundle than the games included with Doom 3 BFG Edition on Steam that looked interesting. There is a market for this game because it doesn't get old.

Apart from the technical improvements, the game is interesting because it also includes gameplay changes.

As for the money thing... I think the most plausible theory is what Laa-Yosh mentioned time ago. That they need all the financial resources they can get in the mean time while they complete Doom 4.

So launching a masterpiece series like Doom as of currently on consoles makes sense, especially for those who missed this fine game the previous generation either on consoles or the PC.

It's like we can run it fully upgraded on consoles now.

[Cyan]

Originally Posted by almighty

Ewwwww.... you can change the height of the POM via a command iirc

hehe, that's one of the best advantages of having a PC. Talking of which, is it confirmed that they removed the shadows from the flashlight?

Because if so I would like to have a PC-like option mod included in the console game to change that feature. That would be a much-needed feature.

iirc, the flashlight casted shadows on the Xbox 1, so why not now?

If that rumour is true, I wonder if it has something to do with allowing the player to use the weapon and the flashlight at the same time, because of the added fireworks affecting the shadows, thus increasing the processing power needed.

And you know how *fragile* consoles are in that sense.

Besides that, in the hypothetical situation this was the cause, they could allow the flashlight cast shadows when selecting the option to play like the original -meaning no weapon + flashlight at the same time-.

The use of light and shadows was one of my favourites features of Doom 3, and I remember using the flashlight a lot on the original Xbox just to see how the shadows changed. It was a feature that set Doom 3 apart from other games of the time.

[Sigfried1977]

^The flashlight actually didn't cast shadows on the Xbox 1 version either.

[nightshade]

Originally Posted by Cyan

For instance, the whole ground in this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/xJkVf.jpg

Yikes !!
Do people actually find that good looking ? I guess common sense doesn't strikes for some people.
Everybody hates flat looking ground but it's also probably the last place to spam POM shaders....cause the use should be sensible & realistic too.

[Davros]

Originally Posted by AlStrong

Previous idTech4 games were always limited to 30fps.

Who told you that
Quake 4 NO
Prey NO
Wolfenstein NO
Brink NO

[swaaye]

Yeah they are all limited to 60fps, not 30.

[Cyan]

Originally Posted by Sigfried1977

^The flashlight actually didn't cast shadows on the Xbox 1 version either.

Consoles, no more no less.

But I'd swear I saw the Xbox version casting shadows when using the flashlight.

I completed the game a few times on the original Xbox, but it was 7 years ago, before I purchased the 360.

And there was this particular scene that has remained etched on my memory, where I think I was using the flashlight. It happens during the first minutes of the game, iirc.

There is a computer terminal and a technician -or was it a demon?-, and some kind of flux pipes, a couple of columns, and an air vent at floor height.

The mental image I keep is that I was using the flashlight and the shadows of the column moved around on the surrounding walls depending on the angle the light was coming into contact with the column.

[Sxotty]

Originally Posted by almighty

Seems like this D3 re-release is nothing more then a cash cow to try and rake back some of the money they lost on RAGE....

I have to imagine it is EXACTLY what they said it was at Qcon.

A way to introduce console fanboys to Doom before they release Doom4. It is "cheap" advertising. So cheap it makes them a bit of money

[NRP]

Not if it totally turns off "console fanboys" in the process. I doubt this re-release will be that well received. iD are deluding themselves if they think their simplistic gameplay design, dated visuals, and repetative play are going to sway modern gamers. Sometimes I feel like iD is arrogant enough to think that just because it's an iD game or a Doom game that people will flock to buy it. I think that time has long since passed.

[catisfit]

Originally Posted by NRP

iD are deluding themselves if they think their simplistic gameplay design, dated visuals, and repetative play are going to sway modern gamers.

True; modern gamers are getting all their simplistic gameplay design, dated visuals, and repetitive play from Call of Duty these days

[Davros]

Originally Posted by swaaye

Yeah they are all limited to 60fps, not 30.

You sure ?