[rpg.314]

Originally Posted by eastmen

Thats up to you. In bed i can picture having my knees bent with the tablet laying against them to prop up and the keyboard on my lap.

whats your useage with the dock ? The way I see the dock is simple. Your going to use it just like a laptop which means your tablet will allways be docked in bed. Otherwise what are you going to do , be reading in laptop mode and be like that damn eastmen doesn't know what he is talking about ! I gotta respond right away ! Let me get my dock and plug the tablet in and then start typing !

With both these covers i can just flip the cover over while in bed and type something out.

I also see that usage while i'm on the go. It will be easier to just flip the cover over to type something quickly than it will be to take out the dock. Same with traveling. The cover adds almost no weight to the tablet.

The asus infinity is 1.31 lbs , the dock is 1.2 lbs . The surface pro is going to be about 2lbs mabye a little less according to MS . If you add another 1.2 lbs to the device your looking at notebook weight.

If I want to type on the couch or in the bed, I can do that. When I want to just use it in media consumption mode, I can do that. Surface is good for the latter but isn't a good fit for the former.

By typing, I mean lots of it. So I am not going to pull out the dock for minor typing sessions. Surface doesn't look like it's keyboard is usable without a desk support. And while typing, I am ok with about 3 lb weight. In touch mode, it's close to iPad's weight. As it is, I have to carry a 6lb notebook everywhere, so it will be a big improvement for me.

[zed]

Originally Posted by Acert93

Acer's new W700 Win 8 tablet (11.6", i3 / i5, 1080p) supports both landscape AND portrait mode while docked! Sweet!

hmm now tell me why this MORE EXPENSIVE device has a much lower res than my ipad3 & prolly slower, so why should I buy it?
I said it before & I'll say it again, Why is MS doing kin/WP7/hotmail etc ^2
do they like losing money (pssst), balmer oh ok, passs

[Ike Turner]

Originally Posted by zed

hmm now tell me why this MORE EXPENSIVE device has a much lower res than my ipad3 & prolly slower, so why should I buy it?
I said it before & I'll say it again, Why is MS doing kin/WP7/hotmail etc ^2
do they like losing money (pssst), balmer oh ok, passs

Troll much?

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by rpg.314

If I want to type on the couch or in the bed, I can do that. When I want to just use it in media consumption mode, I can do that. Surface is good for the latter but isn't a good fit for the former.

By typing, I mean lots of it. So I am not going to pull out the dock for minor typing sessions. Surface doesn't look like it's keyboard is usable without a desk support. And while typing, I am ok with about 3 lb weight. In touch mode, it's close to iPad's weight. As it is, I have to carry a 6lb notebook everywhere, so it will be a big improvement for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vasc8UNl_0

The keyboard doesn't look floppy and looks quite sturdy. So i should be able to type anywhere i can keep the screen propped up and on my lap i would assume i'd just have it open flat like a book while typing.

As I've said before you can also use a bluetooth or usb keyboard
something like this. The case for the keyboard will bend into a tablet stand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJlij...ture=endscreen

Originally Posted by zed

hmm now tell me why this MORE EXPENSIVE device has a much lower res than my ipad3 & prolly slower, so why should I buy it?
I said it before & I'll say it again, Why is MS doing kin/WP7/hotmail etc ^2
do they like losing money (pssst), balmer oh ok, passs

The more expensive device has a much better cpu in it and runs windows pro allowing you to play popular pc games ? Windows 8 pro on my acer iconia w500 which has a c-50 in it (dual core 1ghz bobcat) is butter. So i don't see how an i5 will be slower .

Also now when i do work instead of bringing an ipad(andriod tablet) plus a laptop with me , i just have to bring a laptop.

[wco81]

It runs PC games on the touch screen?

[eastmen]

You can. You can also use a keyboard and mouse. You know this little thing called USB allows that... I know it's not allowed in the apple eco system , but some company's allow you to use it. You can also play using blue tooth accessorys

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[Acert93]

Originally Posted by zed

hmm now tell me why this MORE EXPENSIVE device has a much lower res than my ipad3 & prolly slower, so why should I buy it?
I said it before & I'll say it again, Why is MS doing kin/WP7/hotmail etc ^2
do they like losing money (pssst), balmer oh ok, passs

Uhhhhmmmm Intel i3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARM everything.

1080p IPs 11.6" on a Windows-Tablet/PC being able to run Metro and traditional programs is sufficient.

I know I have stayed away from the iOS crap ecosystem and Android malware mess waiting for the tablet form factor to properly support x86 software and getting an OS that runs all my important programs but can double-up as a device for reading and very light casual media consumption. I don't really care to have too many devices running around so an all in one is something I approve of for my uses.

[wco81]

Lets see what the battery life of these Intel W8 tablets are like.

Ars has a story about Intel wanting to micromanage Haswell tablet designs. Haswell will have lower power consumption than Sandy Bridge but Intel apparently wants to do everything to make tablets using Haswell look good, by specifying other components that manufacturers should use for Haswell tablets.

[eastmen]

For tablet gaming look at the series 7 slate

dota2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvF_dS9BgUg

diablo III HQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD-jD...feature=fvwrel

WOW and Counter Strike 1.6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn2397yVs04



acer iconia w500

portal 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQU1OoXR3hI

Rage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPBedgq9lN8

bioshock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ydxkM1XPg

[blakjedi]

There are also the Samsung ATIV S tablets both in RT and Pro versions.

The Asus Vivo Tab tab RT and Pro

The Dell Envy

HP has a very nice tablet coming with hard clamshell like keyboard

Toshiba and Sony have very interesting sliders

Asus has the Taichi dual monitor solution...

Lenovo may have the best tablet coming out.

Intel had a reference day where 28 vendors show of hardware.. nevermind the CEATEC, IFA shows...

for example: http://youtu.be/vIBpUeEV0U8

[eastmen]

you right , i've tried to post many in this thread if you go back into it.

Its a shame that AMD is MIA from this. a trinity A6 would be really nice vs the i5 for gaming on a tablet.

[blakjedi]

http://youtu.be/14faPNmhW24

Clovertrail multitask gaming! Iconia w510

[Silent_Buddha]

Originally Posted by zed

hmm now tell me why this MORE EXPENSIVE device has a much lower res than my ipad3 & prolly slower, so why should I buy it?
I said it before & I'll say it again, Why is MS doing kin/WP7/hotmail etc ^2
do they like losing money (pssst), balmer oh ok, passs

Load up Steam and instant DD gaming library? Better yet, if you already have Steam games, they are then instantly (well minus the time to download/install) available on your Win8 x86 slate.

It may not match the size of Apple's app store, but it's still got well over 1000 game titles in there many of which can be played just fine with touch only controls.

Perhaps you want to use a full application suite (Office or Abobe Creative Suite or CAD/CAM or Open Office or...).

For pure media consumption and media consumption only, the iPad probably has an advantage. Unless of course you are into Japanese Anime which hasn't come to the US yet, and all you can find are fansubbed MKVs. Then again for the pure media consumption market, that's what MS has WinRT for. Although I'm still not sure WinRT is going to do much.

Regards,
SB

[eastmen]

Lets not forget about GOG.com

people work their butts off getting these games to run on tablets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85XV8FP70JI


but i was able to play many of them on my iconia w500 when i owned it. The pen input on the surface will make them even more playable.

[eastmen]

So a bunch of tablets got prices and specs


Acer iconia w510 - Clover Trail Atom with 10.1 inch 1,366x768 $500 for the tablet with 32gig ssd , $600 with 64 gig ssd and $750 with dock and 64 gig ssd. The doc doubles the battery life to 18 hours . It weighs just 1.27lbs and 2.63 lbs with dock 2 gigs of ram

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/34...view-windows-8 hands on


Lenovo Idea Tab lync tablet starts at $600 the dock doubles the battery life to 16 hours but adds $150 . Its 11.6 inch 1366x768 ips display 2gigs of ram , 32gig or 64 gig ssd and a cloverview intel atom dual core @ 1.8ghz . The tablet weighs 1.4lbs and so does the dock. So 2.8lbs combined. This one charges over usb which is nice.

Lenova Thinkpad tablet 2 starts at $650 is 1.3lbs with a 10.1inch display at 1366x768 10 hour battery has a 3g/lte at&t option and has an active digitizer

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/34...ablet-hands-on


Lenovo's yoga will be 13 inch 1,099 for the win pro and $800 for the 11 inch RT

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/9/34...e-release-date

Thinkpad Twist starts at $849 12.4 inch 1366x768 IP its .79inches thick and 3.48 lbs. Its an older convertable type tablet / laptop where the screen just swivels around and folds down. It has an i7 with 8 gigs of ram and a 128GB ssd . Its actually pretty nice but at the $850 you get an i5 and mechanical hardrive

[eastmen]

On a personal note , I don't understand the 768p screens. Thats one of the things thats pushing me towards the surface pro. A nice 1080p screen is a big deal to me.

[ToTTenTranz]

All this talk about playing games in Win8 x86 tablets is nice.

Too bad the SGX545 @533MHz in Clovertrail is pretty much useless for any 3D game for Windows with less than what, 10 years? I wonder if Half Life 2 or Doom 3 will be playable at all.

If gaming is a "concern" for lower-end Win8 tablets, let's hope AMD gets a couple of design-wins for Hondo tablets.

[eastmen]

with the clovertrail stuff i doubt many will be trying to play modern games . Also the $800 and up of the i5/7 tablets aren't expensive for what your getting.

[french toast]

Originally Posted by eastmen

with the clovertrail stuff i doubt many will be trying to play modern games . Also the $800 and up of the i5/7 tablets aren't expensive for what your getting.

Yea this really caught my eye....probably the best w8 design I have seen by a long way...if only they managed to integrated the pen into the tablet...take on Bluetooth 4, 4g baseband...and stick in either kaveri or haswell gt3...and we have perfection.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/k...ands-on-video/

[wco81]

May not be but it seems the laptops that the chain stores advertise are more in the $600 range or even less.

So would buyers pay a chunk more for these tablets? They're certainly cheaper than the old Tablet PC designs. But while they've reduced a lot of size and weight, a lot of W8 tablets seem more geared for use on a table or a desk. Lenovo is calling their designs "tabletops" and of course, the Surface models have built-in kickstand, which obviously is for a table/desk.

These seem to trend towards greater size and weight than iPad so while some may prefer these ultrabooks with detachable touch screen units, the weight may not be as attractive for those who've been thinking iPad or Android tablets.

[eastmen]

I think the ipad proves that consumers will pay a chunk more for tablets. The ipad starts at $500 and can go up to what $700 before LTE .

With the ipad you'd still need a laptop to do certian tasks. With a clovertrail tablet you wouldn't need both devices only one.

If you need more power then you step up to a core series cpu. It looks like this

Windows RT tablets = $400 to $600 . Atom level X86 tablets $500 to $700 and Core series x86 tablets $700 to $1,200 .

Consumers will have choices for what they want.


By the way the clovertail tablets seem to be 1.3 to 1.5lbs and the RT tablets weigh the same. The ipad clocks in at 1.44lbs . So it seems very comparable.

[Silent_Buddha]

Cool, that KUPA is the first Win8 tablet I've seen that I would even consider buying.

Regards,
SB

[Mize]

Your TF700 row is wrong. Either it's $600 and includes the keyboard (meaning your weight and battery are wrong) or it's 1.29 lbs with a 25Wh battery and your price is wrong.

[eastmen]

I don't actually make it , someone on neogaf has been making it.



mabye the new one fixes it.

[sebbbi]

Originally Posted by zed

this MORE EXPENSIVE device has a much lower res than my ipad3 & prolly slower, so why should I buy it?

Sandy/Ivy Bridge are in a completely different league than Cortex A9.

We did some benchmarking (10 months ago): iPad 2 (dual core Cortex A9 at 1.0 GHz) vs. Samsung Series 7 Slate Windows tablet (dual core, four thread, 1.6 GHz Sandy Bridge, 2.3 GHz turbo clock). And the results weren't pretty. The Sandy Bridge beats the iPad 2 on average by around 10x. Data structure traversal on average is "only" around 6x-8x faster on the Sandy, but for example vector maths are over 20x faster on Sandy. They are not in the same league.

The new x86 Windows 8 tablets are going to feature Ivy Bridge instead of Sandy Bridge. Ivy Bridge has around 5% higher IPC than Sandy, and the 17W model clocks as high as 2.0 GHz and has huge 3.2 GHz turbo clock. iPad 3 still has the same old 1.0 GHz Cortex A9 that iPad 2 has (but it has more memory bandwidth). Surface (and all other x86 Win8 tablets) will outperform ARM based tablets by a wide margin.

Not even a quad core 1.5 GHz Swift (or A15) in iPad 4 would noticeably reduce the performance difference, since it's going to compete against 10W Haswell. Of course Intel based tablets are slightly heavier and have slightly worse battery life, but the performance is very good. The Samsung Slate even beats my desktop Core 2 Quad Q6600 in benchmarks