ATI launch Radeon HD 4850 and HD 4870

Monday 23rd June 2008, 08:00:00 AM, written by Rys

Early this morning GMT saw AMD officially set free a new generation of Radeon products based on a brand new GPU.  Radeon HD 4850 and Radeon HD 4870 go head to head with refreshed and new G92- and GT200-based GeForces from NVIDIA, and the GPU used to create the new Radeon products is an absolute stormer.

Appearance and on-paper figures can be deceiving, since despite having diminuitive dimensions for the die and a comparatively small external memory bus width, RV770 punches harder than any other GPU the Graphics Products Group at AMD have seen fit to release.

The near 960M transistor chip is a svelte 260mm square, and packs a scarcely believable 800 scalar shader processors, arranged in R600- and RV670-like SIMD arrays of 80 each, via the same 16 x 5-way arrangement.  Each SIMD array packs a data sampler unit capable of 16 scalar fetches and a quartet of bilinearly filtered results per clock.

HD 4870 uses brand new GDDR5 for its external DRAM pool, AMD working closely with JEDEC partners to make it happen.  In fact, it leads the JEDEC committee that created the new graphics memory standard, and the new memory controller design for RV770 is tailored to work as well as possible with the new memories.

With 512MiB of 3.6GHz GDDR5 (115GB/sec from 256-bits is enormous) and a 750MHz core clock, Radeon HD 4870 is the faster of the two launch configurations using RV770, and it gives the product some NVIDIA-worrying performance on-paper.  The chip is capable of realisable rates that hit 1.2Tflops of FP32 compute, 24Gtexels/sec of INT8 bilinearly filtered samples, and the 4 quad ROPs will write Z only at 48Gpixels/sec.

Radeon HD 4850 uses 512MiB of GDDR3 (64GB/sec from 256-bit at 2GHz) with a 625MHz clock, giving 1Tflop/sec of FP32 compute, 20Gtexels/sec of INT8 filtering and 40Gpixel/sec Z-only writes.

Implementation details include 1/4 speed FP64 compute ability (industry leading rates therefore result), half speed FP16 filtering (1/2 RV670 per sampler per clock) and full speed FP16 colour writes (2x RV670 per ROP per clock).  So the ratios of compute/sample/ROP change compared to the older generation, while sharing the same basic architecture.

We'll cover as much of those details as we can in our upcoming architecture evaluation, just as soon as we've spent more time with the hardware.

Real-world gaming performance evaluations from our friends at Tech Report and Hardware.fr mean the $199 and $299 products are very attractive when compared to the competition.  The $239 GeForce 9800 GTX+ looks to be a minor waste of NVIDIA's time, Radeon HD 4850 more than a match, with HD 4870 taking on the $399 and $649 (LOL) GeFroce GTX 260 and GTX 280 and often beating the $649 part, especially when a reasonable level of AA gets turned on.

Put simply, NVIDIA are in an immediate position of having overpriced new hardware almost straight out of the gate, with the $649 asking price of GTX 280 a significantly difficult sell for a gamer.

We look forward to looking more closely at the chip architecture soon.  AMD have produced a monstrous chip, putting them right back on the 3D graphics roadmap after a serious spell in NVIDIA's shadow.

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Latest Thread Comments (6 total)
Posted by Carl B on Friday, 11-Jul-08 04:06:25 UTC
Toshiba will be introducing their line of Cell-enhanced TVs at IFA in August, so we'll see what the deal is at that time. Worth noting that Super Upconversion has been rebranded to "Upconversion+." Although they are saying 'Cell' in these quotes and releases, I am wondering whether it would actually be a full Cell or further extension of the SpursEngine.

Posted by patsu on Sunday, 13-Jul-08 16:12:26 UTC
I dug around the net a bit:http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.areadvd.de%2Fnews%2F2008%2F07%2F09%2Fifa-toshiba-lcd-tv-cell-prozessor-resolution%2F&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8Rumored Cell TV specs:
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ZF REGZA TV series• sizes: 40 and 46 inch • Resolution: Full HD (1,920 x 1,080) • Picture Frame2 design concept *• Resolution + Technology*• Dynamic equalizer Audyssey • Integrated DVB-T Tuner • Active Vision M100 HD (100Hz) • compatible 24p • 10-bit LCD panel • Wide Colour gamut Panel • Dynamic contrast to 30.000:1 • Deep Colour and xvYCCUnterstützung • PIXEL VI, PROcessing • Slim Speaker Onkyo • SRS WOW Surround Sound • Four HDMI connections • REGZA Link (HDMI CEC Consumer Electronics Control) function • Color: piano black lacquer • Availability: from October 2008
The 2009 launch date mentioned in the interview may be Asia-specific.

Posted by patsu on Friday, 29-Aug-08 05:23:59 UTC
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/28/toshibas-new-zf-lcds-include-cell-based-resolution-upscaling/

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As expected, Toshiba is offering a new (supposed) world's first here at IFA: a true upscaling TV, finally getting rid of the middle man for upconverting those SD sources. The new ZF Series LCDs include Cell processors and Toshiba's home grown Resolution+ technology, which does similar edge and detail enhancement to Toshiba's XDE upscaler -- sharpening detail, smoothing edges, and leaving the rest of the image alone -- but with the added fun of Cell power in the mix. As for the actual displays, Toshiba will be shipping the 40ZF575D (40-inch) and the 46ZF575D (46-inch), both offering 1080p, 30,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, 6ms response times and Active Vision M100 HD 100Hz 5:5 pulldown processing, along with four HDMI plugs, component video, RGB and PC input. Right now this is just a Europe launch, and we don't have exact ship dates or pricing, but hopefully Toshiba will soon rectify that.

Posted by one on Wednesday, 01-Oct-08 15:33:11 UTC
http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20080930/ceatec05.htm
http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20080918/toshiba7.htm

At CEATEC 2008 in Japan, Toshiba is demoing Cell TV that is to be released in 2009.
The demo includes realtime upconversion and non-realtime video maturation (about which Kutaragi was talking in 2005) by their Resolution Plus technology, 3D GUI, 48-channel display, 8-channel fast switching, video search.

The fast channel switching demo has a video in the article. Since channel switching in a digital TV set tends to be slower than in analogue TV, it's one of merits of using Cell easily noticeable by laymen. The last missing part is its price, basically Cell has been too hot & fast & pricey for a CE appliance. It's left to be seen how 45nm Cell can tackle these issues.

They are also showing WinFast PxVC1100 by Leadtek and FIRECODER Blu by Canopus as SpursEngine-powered PCI-e cards.

The retail price of WinFast PxVC1100 is around $300. It can do realtime MPEG-4 AVC encoding of HD movies. WinDVD can use SpursEngine to do Resolution Plus upconversion via SpursEngine middleware.

Posted by Akumajou on Sunday, 05-Oct-08 20:37:11 UTC
Quoting one
The fast channel switching demo has a video in the article. Since channel switching in a digital TV set tends to be slower than in analogue TV, it's one of merits of using Cell easily noticeable by laymen. The last missing part is its price, basically Cell has been too hot & fast & pricey for a CE appliance. It's left to be seen how 45nm Cell can tackle these issues.
The question will be just how fast (clock speed) will Cell BE need to run to work as advertised and basically the 45nm die shrink will take care of that by cutting thermals and power consumption so that it can have a passive heat sink solution included inside the HDTV because after all you don't expect to see a slot with a little fan.

Posted by one on Wednesday, 08-Oct-08 15:17:43 UTC
Quoting Akumajou
The question will be just how fast (clock speed) will Cell BE need to run to work as advertised and basically the 45nm die shrink will take care of that by cutting thermals and power consumption so that it can have a passive heat sink solution included inside the HDTV because after all you don't expect to see a slot with a little fan.
Another possibility is, finally the initial plan of using 7> working SPEs in these TVs becomes viable due to PS3 selling more each year... it cuts both cost and heat further.


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